tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post8301431832744065336..comments2023-09-16T05:02:59.946-07:00Comments on Heroines with Hearts: Deep Point of ViewDebra St. Johnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07154130275058459169noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-52430125134445033442013-09-19T12:41:38.250-07:002013-09-19T12:41:38.250-07:00Celia, deep POV comes fairly naturally to me and, ...Celia, deep POV comes fairly naturally to me and, like you, I wince when I read a story where the author jumps from one POV to another and then back again.<br />I always have an asterisk break in my ms. when I change from the heroine's to the hero's POV (and vice versa), and then I stay in that POV for at least a page, and sometimes much longer. Paula Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10040623635956769807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-90147417683782182512013-09-19T12:37:01.714-07:002013-09-19T12:37:01.714-07:00Rosemary, I'm trying to improve too, and worki...Rosemary, I'm trying to improve too, and working hard to avoid 'thought, saw, felt, heard' etc wherever possible!Paula Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10040623635956769807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-6212699735607270212013-09-19T12:35:30.359-07:002013-09-19T12:35:30.359-07:00Jessica, I loved your comment on FB about not tran...Jessica, I loved your comment on FB about not transcribing the movie, but become the character. It is such a fantastic way to do explain deep POV!Paula Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10040623635956769807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-66336580655110406732013-09-19T12:33:46.267-07:002013-09-19T12:33:46.267-07:00Thanks, Ana. I think deep POV must be my 'natu...Thanks, Ana. I think deep POV must be my 'natural' way of writing!Paula Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10040623635956769807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-69135460810508254462013-09-19T05:49:06.663-07:002013-09-19T05:49:06.663-07:00Paula--your post is a good reminder of what we sho...Paula--your post is a good reminder of what we should be doing. I learned about POV along the way, and found a small book about the topic. Amazingly, there are numerous variations on POV--8 or 10, and I even ran into an author once who claimed he could write and use all of these. Hogwash.<br />Who would care?<br />Fortunately, I naturally wrote using POV fairly well, although I didn't know it. An author friend pointed out areas in a few chapters where I had slipped into someone else's POV. I didn't get it. She told me, "One day you'll have an 'aha' moment and you'll understand. And I did.<br />My first editor with The Wild Rose Press taught me so much--especially about POV and about omitting "she thought, she heard, etc."<br />I keep a set of self-editing tips handy when I finish a ms and highlight all "thought, saw, heard, etc., and try to re-write all these sentences. <br />But knowing too much often takes me out of someone else's story. I see slipping from one POV to another in the same paragraph, and it drives me crazy. <br />A local writer acquaintance doesn't believe in POV, claiming it doesn't matter, and she writes, as she says, in Omniscient POV just to avoid the whole idea.<br />I want to pull my hair out with frustration--but her books are her books. <br />It's difficult to change another person's POV. Haha!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16272417114895975742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-37366814898450016092013-09-19T02:08:23.631-07:002013-09-19T02:08:23.631-07:00Enjoyed your post, Paula. With each novel I've...Enjoyed your post, Paula. With each novel I've written, I'm hoping I keep improving my deep POV - whether it's all from the heroine or with sections from the hero. Getting rid of the unnecessary 'she thought' etc is the bit I can still improve!Rosemary Gemmellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09311840205603508422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-37825037209953887052013-09-18T19:00:29.341-07:002013-09-18T19:00:29.341-07:00A great post, Paula! Deep POV was something I came...A great post, Paula! Deep POV was something I came to understand after working with the same CPs and editors. They helped me to stop telling and show the characters internal thoughts and reactions. And they make me get rid of all of the filtering words. LOL<br /><br />Like I mentioned on FB, as authors, we are not supposed to dictate the movie in our heads, but to become our characters, and make the readers become them, too.Jessica E. Subjecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14356934162311768234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-89340835975055717582013-09-18T16:47:39.556-07:002013-09-18T16:47:39.556-07:00Deep POV is something I am coming to understand an...Deep POV is something I am coming to understand and hopefully to get right as I write. These explanations are helpful, Paula. You are good at deep POV!Ana Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12325215832587691886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-85772818860837315262013-09-18T15:59:14.120-07:002013-09-18T15:59:14.120-07:00Debra, the more I write, the more I become aware o...Debra, the more I write, the more I become aware of the intruders, and work to rephrase them.<br />BTW I saw a great comment on Facebook this evening: "Writing fiction is not about transcribing the movie in your head. It's about becoming the character, and making the reader become them, too." <br />That sums it up, doesn't it? Paula Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10040623635956769807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-39050382002521958082013-09-18T15:51:25.709-07:002013-09-18T15:51:25.709-07:00Once I'm in the groove, I can usually get pret...Once I'm in the groove, I can usually get pretty deep into whichever character's head I'm supposed to be in at the moment.<br /><br />This is also getting easier with each book I write. I still do need to go back and take out some of those 'intruders', but I am definitely using them less and less even in first drafts.Debra St. Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07154130275058459169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-9845106499169736692013-09-18T14:03:42.687-07:002013-09-18T14:03:42.687-07:00Sarah, you're absolutely right about growing a...Sarah, you're absolutely right about growing and improving with each book we write. I cringe now when I look at the first book I had published in the 1960s! Wish I could rewrite it now, except the plot is too outdated. <br />I agree about writing from the heart. The only way our readers are going to emphasise with out characters is if we emphasise with them too, and not just write 'about' them. I go through the whole gamut of emotions with my characters!Paula Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10040623635956769807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-61952496759034663932013-09-18T13:54:12.411-07:002013-09-18T13:54:12.411-07:00Writing is always a work in progress; we grow with...Writing is always a work in progress; we grow with each book we write. most of us are determined to write the best story we are capable of delivering and getting in deep POV with a character is essential to that goal. I learned 2 things from two other writers that changed how I looked at deep POV. One author told me to write from the heart. If I care about that character deeply, the reader will, too. The other author advised me to think of emotion in a different way. For example, what does fear feel like, and I like to add, what does it look like. <br />I really liked your blog, Paula. It's also a good reminder for us to keep working to improve.<br />All the best to you.Sarah J. McNealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17749991094677728042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-2389792572192514322013-09-18T13:34:20.742-07:002013-09-18T13:34:20.742-07:00LOL, I do something similar if I get to a point wh...LOL, I do something similar if I get to a point where a description of a place is needed - 'Add details here'. The other night I wrote myself a note saying 'Add more ambience in restaurant'. I hate writing descriptions of places! Paula Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10040623635956769807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-69634834435481692132013-09-18T13:19:14.710-07:002013-09-18T13:19:14.710-07:00Yeah, for the moment, those are my place holders. ...Yeah, for the moment, those are my place holders. A bit better than saying "ADD SCENE HERE" :)JENNIFER WILCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218241106543538422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-60417126612701922212013-09-18T12:05:40.682-07:002013-09-18T12:05:40.682-07:00I very rarely use omniscient because I'm invar...I very rarely use omniscient because I'm invariably in one head or the other, even when moving things along. I think you're right to see if you can use the POV differently, so that things shown from a character's POV, rather than 'narrated' by the author. Paula Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10040623635956769807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-17420952950221731092013-09-18T11:29:14.991-07:002013-09-18T11:29:14.991-07:00I've improved my writing so I don't (often...I've improved my writing so I don't (often) head hop. :) I like deep POV, but there are occasions when I switch to omniscient. Sometimes it's necessary to move things along. However, those are the first places I go back to in order to see if I can use POV differently.JENNIFER WILCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16218241106543538422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-63920690775763792552013-09-18T07:55:57.275-07:002013-09-18T07:55:57.275-07:00Good analogy, Rose - deep POV is similar to an aut...Good analogy, Rose - deep POV is similar to an autobiography even though it may be written in third person.Paula Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10040623635956769807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2999125118927001112.post-37351516916627564272013-09-18T06:59:48.251-07:002013-09-18T06:59:48.251-07:00Enjoyable post! I do my best writing in deep POV. ...Enjoyable post! I do my best writing in deep POV. I liken it to a biography versus an autobiography. Best luck.Rose Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04429566802562925080noreply@blogger.com